All it costs to fulfill the average person's needs for digital services is a $5 per month VPS instance. It's even cheaper if you buy a single board computer and host your services at home.

We've been letting companies steal our personal data and sell it to the highest bidder and destroying democracy in the process all to save what? A coffee a month?

This is one of the worst deals in history.

@njoseph and who teaches them the skills to keep the stuff up to date and secure? Let alone to run it in the first place. Most people aren’t able to do that and don’t have the time and will to learn it.

@nielsk Please read my first reply on that toot.

Mastodon's 500 character limit didn't let me fully describe my intent.

@njoseph I did. How long does it take to have all your services up and running again when your single board computer or the disk with enough space for all your stuff fails? Do you have a monitor server to see problems when they come up? What do you do when Debian breaks one of your services? What are you using as your secondary MX? A second FreedomBox?
I think it is a good idea basically but has several problems in execution.

@njoseph Especially when you put in people who do not have the time or will to learn the stuff. I wouldn’t be able to fix my own car either

@nielsk I like the analogy. The current situation with digital services is like everybody is using rented car services. Self-hosting is like getting your own car. There will be some maintenance effort but more freedom. Not everybody that drives a car has enough skill to be a car mechanic either.

Automation of servers is easier than car maintenance automation. Self-hosting services typically are self-maintaining and come with automatic backup and restore.

@njoseph they do? The last time I checked for example my Nextcloud notifies me about updates, has often problems with the automatic update and I have to intervene and I didn’t see anything about backups (except the “backup” before an upgrade which won’t backup all the data to a different server)


@nielsk I have to agree that we're not there yet. A self-hosting solution won't replace a professional sysadmin. It should be seen as a good enough utility that automates enough of the day-to-day maintenance that normal smartphone-using people can use it without much IT skills.

BTW, I wouldn't categorize NextCloud into the same category as FreedomBox.


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