@praveen not a single word on XMPP in that post, why do you put the xmpp hashtag in your toot and lure me into reading that article?!


@cybastl @praveen

I assume, that almost every word would apply to both Matrix and XMPP - or maybe even IRC 🙂

I wonder, whether somebody did an energy consumption comparison between both technologies (for the same task). Which one is better in respect to our #climate?

@debacle @cybastl @praveen
Matrix, because the resource consumption that leads to more HW is easily compensated by the an improvement in human resources due to advanced encryption technology, improved UX and other features

@cybastl @debacle @praveen then you haven't really used both with e.g. encryption

Like mentioned in previous reply. still has to catch up with for cross platform support. But on android conversations app has good usability (may be not the bells and whistles, but end to end encryption by default and VoIP support works perfectly).
@cybastl @debacle

Yes, decentralization applies to as well. XMPP took some time to catch up to mobile use case and it is still lagging client support for many essential features in many platforms. Conversations for android has all features but most other implantations miss one or the other important features. So matrix with element available across platforms won the battle on features for now. May be xmpp will catch up soon with project which has users in mind beyond protocol.

@praveen @cybastl

IMHO, Matrix and Jabber have different strengths: Matrix is better for group communication or communities and Jabber is better for the typical instant messenging use case.

What I'm missing in Matrix is: `sudo apt install $matrixclient` and it just works. Element is not available on my OS (Debian), and the other clients miss one or the other important feature. nheko is not bad, but I like both Gajim and Dino better, and Profanity just rocks 🙂

@debacle @praveen @cybastl

"IMHO, Matrix and Jabber have different strengths: Matrix is better for group communication or communities and Jabber is better for the typical instant messenging use case."

Why is this always brought up, just because there aren't any XMPPs clients that are suited for anything else than instant messaging?

You can find instructions for installing Element on debian right there:

@KitKat @praveen @cybastl

In fact, there are XMPP clients for other things than instant messaging, e.g. Movim and Salutatoi (Libervia). They are just less known than the IM clients.

So far, Element is not in Debian. I have the habit of using software that is in Debian. Sometimes, I even do the work to integrate programs into Debian, sometimes I'm just too lazy.

@KitKat @praveen @cybastl

Sorry, I probably didn't make clear, what I meant with "not in Debian": There is no Element package in Debian itself. For a lot of reasons, I try to use only software that is in Debian (with very few execptions for exotic use cases on even more exotic nspawn containers). nheko and quaternion are in Debian, so that are the clients I consider relevant to me as a Debian user. I'll will try both of them, again.

You will need to wait a bit more for nheko 0.8 in official archives. I have built it using older GCC if you are impatient people.debian.org/~praveen/nhe 0.7 version still has some nasty encryption bugs.
@KitKat @cybastl

@praveen @KitKat @cybastl

I probably will test nheko for public communication, so I will just ignore encryption for now 🙂

nheko 0.8 is pretty good, it fixed a nasty key missing bug and I have no complaints now. Though because of a bug in GCC it could not be built in debian and I had to build it locally with older GCC.

@praveen @debacle I guess you know that snikket is just a rebranded optimized combination of prosody and conversations painted in yellow? 😉

I really support the approach and the project but apart from being easier to install (and trying to add a cross platform brand) it does not yet add much new things to xmpp which you can't already have with the existing components.

For android, yes, but for iOS they are adding missing features to siskin and they want to have the same user experience across platforms (features, terminology, etc). So it extends conversations features to iOS by collaborating with other projects. They also added invite based workflow to prosody. So it is much more than just rebranding. They bring much needed consistency across platforms and apps.

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